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	<title>Comments on: Spinning Doctors:  the complexity and pressure of raid healing</title>
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		<title>By: Mooriah</title>
		<link>http://www.rollinghots.com/2009/05/06/spinning-doctors-the-complexity-and-pressure-of-raid-healing/comment-page-1/#comment-715</link>
		<dc:creator>Mooriah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 16:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to completely agree. I&#039;ve got my dual spec for boomkin and my dps DK which can also now tank. I healed for sooo long that when I went back to boomkin I forgot what to do. However, once I learned my rotation it is pretty easy. For the most part, I stand there and blow things up. Even my dps DK stands behind things (or the side) and blows things up. It basic rotations over and over. Once you get the gear and stats, dps is pretty much dps. Some fights make you move and change a bit but for the most part you do the same thing. With healing not only do I have to heal the tank and dps while they move, I have to move and heal myself for a huge assortment of spells. It only get compounded in 10 and 25-mans. The argument is a bit moot because it is all a team. If the tank sucks = die. If the dps sucks = die. If the healer sucks = die. However, if you set all people on an equal level of gear and ability, healing requires far more attention to detail than dps. Healers have far more to look at and process than dps. This isn&#039;t to say any one person is better than the other.  It&#039;s a team effort but some people have to work harder. 

I firmly believe not everyone can be a healer or a tank but anyone can do dps with at least one dps class. I suck as a hunter and as a rogue but give me a DK, shadow priest, boomkin, lock or mage and I can do it all day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to completely agree. I&#8217;ve got my dual spec for boomkin and my dps DK which can also now tank. I healed for sooo long that when I went back to boomkin I forgot what to do. However, once I learned my rotation it is pretty easy. For the most part, I stand there and blow things up. Even my dps DK stands behind things (or the side) and blows things up. It basic rotations over and over. Once you get the gear and stats, dps is pretty much dps. Some fights make you move and change a bit but for the most part you do the same thing. With healing not only do I have to heal the tank and dps while they move, I have to move and heal myself for a huge assortment of spells. It only get compounded in 10 and 25-mans. The argument is a bit moot because it is all a team. If the tank sucks = die. If the dps sucks = die. If the healer sucks = die. However, if you set all people on an equal level of gear and ability, healing requires far more attention to detail than dps. Healers have far more to look at and process than dps. This isn&#8217;t to say any one person is better than the other.  It&#8217;s a team effort but some people have to work harder. </p>
<p>I firmly believe not everyone can be a healer or a tank but anyone can do dps with at least one dps class. I suck as a hunter and as a rogue but give me a DK, shadow priest, boomkin, lock or mage and I can do it all day.</p>
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		<title>By: Lueyy - Deathwing</title>
		<link>http://www.rollinghots.com/2009/05/06/spinning-doctors-the-complexity-and-pressure-of-raid-healing/comment-page-1/#comment-714</link>
		<dc:creator>Lueyy - Deathwing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 15:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Running Elk: 

Respectfully, I disagree. My second spec is feral dps - and after a single day of reading the wonderful blog over at Unbearably HoT (cheers!) - and following a recent &quot;dps cycle schematic&quot; she posted - my new kitty dps is already up in the high 3K&#039;s - and on stand and fight encounters,I&#039;m pushing 4.5K. 


My feral kitty has &quot;need2know&quot; mod that helps me keep passive attention on my DoTs and CooldownTimers to monitor my big talent CDs. Remember - these cycles and timers are important to monitor with a single objective, applied to a single target on boss encounters. On trash, kitty dps is arguably a just a couple of buttons (in Naxx anyway) as you use your swipe ability for AoE damage. 


Contrast that with the weeks (and possibly months) of fine tuning (through practice alone) that raid healing takes. Mouseover macros, grid fine tuning... not to mention the razor thin decision making that takes place &quot;during a GCD&quot; on which of the 25 targets taking damage needs your specific priority of your next 1 or 2 GCDs... followed by the next few targets. More than that, like never before, healers have been re-tooled to use most of their spells - as the situation and healing necessity demands. Accordingly - after thinking for 1 second, and prioritizing need, situational awareness, mana, boss timers, spell timers... we then have to decide the best way to heal the specific target... ie: Mage? In fire? Not likely to take additional damage? Ok HoT. Which HoT? LB? Sufficient? Probably not, Rejuv? Are other range dps taking damage? Rejuv followed by WG on that target? 


Sorry to rant. But if dps is in a &quot;ball park&quot; - it&#039;s a ball park in a 3rd world country when compared to what goes through a healers mind - especially a healers mind in Ulduar 25.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Running Elk: </p>
<p>Respectfully, I disagree. My second spec is feral dps &#8211; and after a single day of reading the wonderful blog over at Unbearably HoT (cheers!) &#8211; and following a recent &#8220;dps cycle schematic&#8221; she posted &#8211; my new kitty dps is already up in the high 3K&#8217;s &#8211; and on stand and fight encounters,I&#8217;m pushing 4.5K. </p>
<p>My feral kitty has &#8220;need2know&#8221; mod that helps me keep passive attention on my DoTs and CooldownTimers to monitor my big talent CDs. Remember &#8211; these cycles and timers are important to monitor with a single objective, applied to a single target on boss encounters. On trash, kitty dps is arguably a just a couple of buttons (in Naxx anyway) as you use your swipe ability for AoE damage. </p>
<p>Contrast that with the weeks (and possibly months) of fine tuning (through practice alone) that raid healing takes. Mouseover macros, grid fine tuning&#8230; not to mention the razor thin decision making that takes place &#8220;during a GCD&#8221; on which of the 25 targets taking damage needs your specific priority of your next 1 or 2 GCDs&#8230; followed by the next few targets. More than that, like never before, healers have been re-tooled to use most of their spells &#8211; as the situation and healing necessity demands. Accordingly &#8211; after thinking for 1 second, and prioritizing need, situational awareness, mana, boss timers, spell timers&#8230; we then have to decide the best way to heal the specific target&#8230; ie: Mage? In fire? Not likely to take additional damage? Ok HoT. Which HoT? LB? Sufficient? Probably not, Rejuv? Are other range dps taking damage? Rejuv followed by WG on that target? </p>
<p>Sorry to rant. But if dps is in a &#8220;ball park&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s a ball park in a 3rd world country when compared to what goes through a healers mind &#8211; especially a healers mind in Ulduar 25.</p>
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		<title>By: Running Elk</title>
		<link>http://www.rollinghots.com/2009/05/06/spinning-doctors-the-complexity-and-pressure-of-raid-healing/comment-page-1/#comment-712</link>
		<dc:creator>Running Elk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 15:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You actually don&#039;t have to go very far to find a dps rotation (or lack thereof) that rivals our healing complexity. I recently posted about cat form dps on my blog (http://runningelk.blogspot.com/2009/04/druids-cat-form-dps.html) Cats have to watch their dot timers as much as we do our HoT timers while moving constantly to stay behind a moving boss, keeping buffs on themselves, etc. I wouldn&#039;t say it is *as* difficult as healing, but it is certainly in the same ballpark. I have tried dpsing in raids in cat form and have done reasonably well, but it is extremely stressful to keep everything going and maximizing dps.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Running Elk&#8217;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://runningelk.blogspot.com/2009/05/hunters-101-part-iv-haste-and-beyond.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hunters 101 - part IV: Haste and beyond&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You actually don&#8217;t have to go very far to find a dps rotation (or lack thereof) that rivals our healing complexity. I recently posted about cat form dps on my blog (<a href="http://runningelk.blogspot.com/2009/04/druids-cat-form-dps.html" rel="nofollow">http://runningelk.blogspot.com/2009/04/druids-cat-form-dps.html</a>) Cats have to watch their dot timers as much as we do our HoT timers while moving constantly to stay behind a moving boss, keeping buffs on themselves, etc. I wouldn&#8217;t say it is *as* difficult as healing, but it is certainly in the same ballpark. I have tried dpsing in raids in cat form and have done reasonably well, but it is extremely stressful to keep everything going and maximizing dps.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Running Elk&#8217;s last blog post..<a href="http://runningelk.blogspot.com/2009/05/hunters-101-part-iv-haste-and-beyond.html" rel="nofollow">Hunters 101 &#8211; part IV: Haste and beyond</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.rollinghots.com/2009/05/06/spinning-doctors-the-complexity-and-pressure-of-raid-healing/comment-page-1/#comment-711</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 13:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol no, Night.  That&#039;s your raison d&#039;etre.  Stab away!  =P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol no, Night.  That&#8217;s your raison d&#8217;etre.  Stab away!  =P</p>
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		<title>By: Night</title>
		<link>http://www.rollinghots.com/2009/05/06/spinning-doctors-the-complexity-and-pressure-of-raid-healing/comment-page-1/#comment-710</link>
		<dc:creator>Night</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 12:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...the goofball who thought topping the damage charts was his sole purpose for being there.&quot;

You mean I&#039;m there for another purpose? Surely, you jest!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;the goofball who thought topping the damage charts was his sole purpose for being there.&#8221;</p>
<p>You mean I&#8217;m there for another purpose? Surely, you jest!</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 10:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol hummy, that wasn&#039;t the exact soundtrack I heard in my mind when I saw this picture....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol hummy, that wasn&#8217;t the exact soundtrack I heard in my mind when I saw this picture&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Hummy</title>
		<link>http://www.rollinghots.com/2009/05/06/spinning-doctors-the-complexity-and-pressure-of-raid-healing/comment-page-1/#comment-706</link>
		<dc:creator>Hummy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 04:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great read! I always love articles that are all about healers and how unique and complicated of a job it is. With very rare occurrences I think healers are the most important part of the raid (exceptions being that new boss in the Vault, very DPS dependent). You summed it up great. 
Love the picture too! &quot;Whoa man, morphine is freakin&#039; great!! What about my leg? What leg?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great read! I always love articles that are all about healers and how unique and complicated of a job it is. With very rare occurrences I think healers are the most important part of the raid (exceptions being that new boss in the Vault, very DPS dependent). You summed it up great.<br />
Love the picture too! &#8220;Whoa man, morphine is freakin&#8217; great!! What about my leg? What leg?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 22:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You raise some really solid points, there, Beru.  I guess that my feeling is that overall healing takes more, or at least it does on the raiding content I have experienced.  My guild never got so far as Black Temple or Sunwell in BC.  We were working on Hyjal when the expansion came out.  There are absolutely times when the ball is in the tank&#039;s hands, or DPS&#039;s hands.  I just feel that there is more overall that I have to focus on when healing by far than when I&#039;ve DPS&#039;ed.  Perhaps it&#039;s because I have a raid full of experienced DPSers that are picking up MY slack... who knows?  But I have just found, so far, that DPSing feels like a walk in the park in comparison to the amount of activity and stress associated with healing for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You raise some really solid points, there, Beru.  I guess that my feeling is that overall healing takes more, or at least it does on the raiding content I have experienced.  My guild never got so far as Black Temple or Sunwell in BC.  We were working on Hyjal when the expansion came out.  There are absolutely times when the ball is in the tank&#8217;s hands, or DPS&#8217;s hands.  I just feel that there is more overall that I have to focus on when healing by far than when I&#8217;ve DPS&#8217;ed.  Perhaps it&#8217;s because I have a raid full of experienced DPSers that are picking up MY slack&#8230; who knows?  But I have just found, so far, that DPSing feels like a walk in the park in comparison to the amount of activity and stress associated with healing for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Beruthiel</title>
		<link>http://www.rollinghots.com/2009/05/06/spinning-doctors-the-complexity-and-pressure-of-raid-healing/comment-page-1/#comment-703</link>
		<dc:creator>Beruthiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 22:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree...and I disagree.  I&#039;m a lawyer, I&#039;m allowed!

There are some fights that are 100% about healing and getting it done, and some fights that take an equal play from everyone to do the job.  While I do agree that healing is extremely intense and *very* stressful at times, and that we do generally have more to do than the next person, I think that there are some encounters that are extremely stressful to DPS and Tanking as well.

For example, take pre-nerf Brutallus.  Your DPS had to be spot on to get that sucker down.  There was no room for someone to miss a rotation, or hit the wrong button.  On top of that, they had to move out of the flames if they got targetted.  That was a VERY stressful encounter for DPS, and we certainly burned some of ours out trying to hit that benchmark.

An example of an encounter for tank stress, I think, would be Illidan.  From being the Illidan tank (OMG DON&#039;T FORGET YOUR BLOCK BUTTON!) to tanking the Flames of Azzinoth (uh...kiting the flames FACING the raid = BAD!), where the entire success of your raid could be plummeted by one error, you and you alone made.  Talk about some serious pressure there!

Is healing more stressful?  At times, sure.  But I would wager a bet that there are times when tanks and DPS feel an equal amount of pressure to perform.

I agree with you 100% however, that I would never go as far to say healers carry a raid.  Each role has its part, and each part has it&#039;s own stress factors =)

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Beruthiel&#8217;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://fallingleavesandwings.wordpress.com/2009/05/04/valanyr-proc-explained-and-yesit-is-good-for-druids-too/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Val’anyr Proc Explained!  And yes…it IS good for druids too!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree&#8230;and I disagree.  I&#8217;m a lawyer, I&#8217;m allowed!</p>
<p>There are some fights that are 100% about healing and getting it done, and some fights that take an equal play from everyone to do the job.  While I do agree that healing is extremely intense and *very* stressful at times, and that we do generally have more to do than the next person, I think that there are some encounters that are extremely stressful to DPS and Tanking as well.</p>
<p>For example, take pre-nerf Brutallus.  Your DPS had to be spot on to get that sucker down.  There was no room for someone to miss a rotation, or hit the wrong button.  On top of that, they had to move out of the flames if they got targetted.  That was a VERY stressful encounter for DPS, and we certainly burned some of ours out trying to hit that benchmark.</p>
<p>An example of an encounter for tank stress, I think, would be Illidan.  From being the Illidan tank (OMG DON&#8217;T FORGET YOUR BLOCK BUTTON!) to tanking the Flames of Azzinoth (uh&#8230;kiting the flames FACING the raid = BAD!), where the entire success of your raid could be plummeted by one error, you and you alone made.  Talk about some serious pressure there!</p>
<p>Is healing more stressful?  At times, sure.  But I would wager a bet that there are times when tanks and DPS feel an equal amount of pressure to perform.</p>
<p>I agree with you 100% however, that I would never go as far to say healers carry a raid.  Each role has its part, and each part has it&#8217;s own stress factors =)</p>
<p><abbr><em>Beruthiel&#8217;s last blog post..<a href="http://fallingleavesandwings.wordpress.com/2009/05/04/valanyr-proc-explained-and-yesit-is-good-for-druids-too/" rel="nofollow">Val’anyr Proc Explained!  And yes…it IS good for druids too!</a></em></abbr></p>
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